Hi Sxerks; I'm Amanda with FANDOM's community development team! I'm contacting you to see if you are interested in turning on Discussions.
In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly, and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. You can read more about Discussions here.
For more information on migrating forums to Discussions, you can check out this blog over on Community Central that explains everything in detail.
If you have some concerns, Discussions and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. However, eventually all Forums will be migrated over to Discussions, so getting ahead of the curve is never a bad idea.
Let me know what you think, and if you want to proceed I can get the ball rolling.
You mean, it'll be implemented without any word and we'll have a whole section of the Wiki we're unaware of? We have some pretty dedicated editors who are looking out for this addition, even if Staff overlooks the alert, we'll find it.
I was going to see if you would respond to ChromeCircus first before commenting in on this, but are you going to answer any of us at all now? It's been three weeks since ChromeCircus first asked you and is still waiting. We'd still like at least one active bureaucrat and not someone who disappears for an indefinite amount of time. Our feelings haven't changed in the past half year each time we brought your inactivity up. As it is now, you're holding the position and not the responsibilities that come with it. A bureaucrat that was more active and communicated with us would be beneficial and appreciated, and Chrome is on here daily and if not that when she's busy at least weekly.
We believe the community has shown a strong consensus that they're not happy having an inactive bureaucrat, and not happy with being unable to create any new bureaucrats to resolve the situation.
If there is no change to the status quo in the near future, we plan to remove your bureaucrat rights, allowing for the election of one or more new bureaucrats. (Your admins rights would remain untouched.)
Note that we are not likely to count returning for a few days to make some minor edit as a change in the situation.
Special:Log/rights shows crat rights were given April 26, concluding the subject of this thread. It seems like an election process for 1 or more new crats (presumably with the aim of appointing 1 or more new administrators without needing to contact staff each time to get them to promote in proxy) could be done without requiring the removal of previous rights, wondering why Kirkburn made that threat. It doesn't appear that those rights were abused to take away sysop privileges. The only time it appears to have happened was in response to Thread:9344, a request to retire.
Was the desire to appoint new admins actually communicated to Sxerks? It occurs to me that admins who want to promote others to being admins alongside them could contact the crat and make a request, point out good editing decisions, etc.
I know we don't really talk about or mess with the CSS here, aside from my stupid tinkering. But how open are you to altering the appearance of links? There are some links I'd like to turn into buttons (contributions/block user/ ban/ user rights/ etc) because they're currently fairly small.
Also, what would you think about embedding a Discord server in place of our chat server? The server will be public and open to fans and contributors. There will be special roles for contributors and Wiki admins/mods, channels for asking questions, general talk, and coding questions. I will probably not have voice channels just to avoid potential issues there. What would you think about something like that?
Okay, will do. Hopefully this makes them a bit easier to read, or maybe I just need a new prescription on my glasses.
It's an embedded chat window that would stand in place of the current chat room. Discord servers seem to be more popular modems these days, so it's probably an overdue change. I set up all the roles varrying from Wiki admins, to contributors, general users, and added some roles for people proficient with coding languages incase somebody has a question. I believe all bases are covered now, so I'll set it up once we get our JS enabled.
Would it be possible to set a bot to remove all stub article categories/templates? I'll go through and manually re-add them to the pages which actually need them.
Is it possible for a bot to de-link elements on pages? Such as... if a name is linked up 2+ times on a page, is a bot able to de-link the extra's? Or is that too much? About 30 pages need to be adjusted... If I'm low-balling it...
Edit: I don't use Python often so I probably won't use anything with regex, I don't think I would get it right. But thank you for linking it. I'll need to get better with Python to make use of it.
Alright, I think I've figured it out. The AWB is far easier to use! But I noticed the edits are populating on the Wiki Activity rather than recent changes (less intrusive). I'm going to pause it for a moment and try to make that stop happening.
Edit: So I tested out the de-linking, and it seems like it's a manual edit. It can find the multi-links, but you have to manually undo it. I may be missing something, I joined the Wiki Dev Discord to see what hints others may have on this. I feel like its one of those there has to be a better way things.
So SH and the Izaya-centric novels will end eventually, we all know this. But what happens when we run out of content? When there are no more cross-overs, video games, magazines, etc. What exactly happens with the Wiki once you've run out of content? Is it archived?
I know this is strange, but it's a idle question we're throwing around on the Discord. We're aware that there are always small things you can do, like re-writing pages, updating the theme, etc. But there will eventually come a point when there's nothing more to update but the theme and maybe some CSS.
Archiving a wiki wouldn't make sense, and it would go against the fundamental idea that wikis are user-maintained online encyclopedias. Online encyclopedias thrive on the basis that as online encyclopedias they can be edited/updated all the time, in real time.
I honestly don't believe it's possible for a wiki to run out of "to-dos." I've said this to you before, but I believe there's always something that needs doing on a wiki. Let's say that as of right this second all things Durarara!! come to an end: there will never be any more light novels, no anime, games, albums, manga - no new media of any kind whatsoever. Narita will never write for it again.
The amount of work the Drrr!! wiki still needs doing after this revelation is, let's face it, a lot. There are SH character pages missing a lot of info; there are original series characters lacking detailed info in their chronology sections. A lot of the character pages could benefit from rewrites. The arc overview pages need rewrites. Heck, go through the entire wiki and see what needs to be rewritten. Then there are all the chapters of the light novels and manga that don't have individual pages - what about them? Those alone could take forever. A lot of the episode pages have way too many screenshots cluttering the text and screwing with the formatting. How are their trivia sections doing?
And then there's the nitty-gritty wiki stuff: standardizing all image names; methodically categorizing all images; making sure all images are of high quality and copyrighted; fixing double and broken redirects (heck, why not update all redirects?); dealing with dead-end and orphaned pages and more. Hell, what about implementing a references system, making it so that the majority of pages have sources? Now that would be a sign of a good wiki. It would also take ages.
Meanwhile, don't forget that FANDOM itself is changing, all the time, and that its changes affect wikis and those wikis inevitably have to adapt to those changes somehow. Header modernization, Discussions, autoplay videos... They're too big for a wiki to ignore sans effect.
Archiving a wiki goes against the point of it being an online encyclopedia. It just wouldn't happen.
I think the point is being missed. I don't mean right after the content dries up, I mean years from now when everything has been added. There's no missing information, all the pages have been cleaned up, everything has been organized and organized again. I've never seen a Wiki like this go dry, so I don't know what fandom does. The idea that they archive it, doesn't mean that they lock it to future additions and take it offline, it's that they mark it as a non-active information source. The thought is that it could of course become active again, but otherwise, Fandom takes control and maintains it from vandals or perhaps locks many pages to prevent problems. Whether anybody believes it or not, you can run out of things to do. After a few years with no new content, you can only make up so many tasks.
I did get the idea, it's just that I've never heard of such a thing [archiving a wiki] happening. Archiving an online encyclopedia...maybe it's theoretically possible, but it's difficult for me to imagine it happening on principle, I guess.
It's difficult for me to imagine as well, but there has to be Wiki's out there which used to be popular or active, but are now ghost towns. I just wonder if Fandom has a process for Wiki's like that, or if it's the same as a Wiki being abandoned.
There would be a time in the future when there is, realistically, nothing more to add. If there is no content to add and no one is watching edits, it could easily fill with vandalism and spam. Then the legacy of the work that was done is for nothing.
I recall one being "locked" a long time ago, I believe it was for a game, and then no more edits were allowed.
Wikis can be set to not allow IP edits in the control panel, but locking would require the staff, and even then, someone in the future could ask to have it reopened...
So then, the hope would be that the last remaining admin would lock the Wiki from IP edits before vanishing into the night. Following that, registered users could certainly vandalize the place, but also, fandom could allow someone to adopt it and clean it up before leaving it to sit again.
Really, it's depressing to think about! Haha years of work just down the drain, but then again... Hopefully the Wiki stands and maintains its accuracy for as long as possible. I don't plan to go anywhere anytime soon, though I've found a new fandom, Durarara is still running. For now, we only have to discuss this in future terms, at least...
Using a bot for something like that makes sense as it is repetitive work; I get it, but there's a reason we're calling you out on this. For one: you didn't mention with any of us about using it. Two: you have it with your profile, not a separate profile specifically for the bot.
We can see how many edits per minute that bot was making, and that had to have been slowing down the server. I see it was doing 15 edits per minute. You didn't run through with us on anything about what it will do, and you certainly didn't get the community's approval on it. Not only did you not have a separate profile for just the bot, you did not flag it as a bot. This is part of Fandom guidelines for bots.
As ChromeCircus mentioned, please migrate the bot to a bot profile. Let us know before so we can actually set an editing rate and we can approve it, rather than just us seeing an overlow of bot edits in the recent activity log unaware.
Would you be willing to give me Bureaucrat rights? It's not as though I intend to swipe the Wiki out from under you, it's that you don't seem to have anything more to contribute, or any interest left. I've voluntarily given up Wiki's before to my admin's who had more to contribute than I did, though, my concern here is more that you'll just stop appearing and responding to messages. I have the ability to make important changes right now, but I can't appoint new mods or admins if I need to. Adopting Wiki's is a long process that I rather just avoid if possible.
Shiki isn't really active anymore, I had planned to make SparklingLimeade the mod since she's active and contributes.
My other plan was to re-do the header and background image. I also have a few projects in mind to make the Wiki more informative without making it messy.
At this point in time, no. I simply don't have the time to add anything that isn't already being done by someone else at a faster pace. I've been on Wikia for 10 years and have seen many people come and go, I'm not the one who is going disappear.
Adding rights to other users is usually done out of necessity, is there a need for another moderator,rollback or admin? Also people shouldn't just be given rights they need to be ask if they want to take responsibility for using them.
There is a mess that was just created regarding categories. There should be no images in the media category it should only contain other categories. similarly with the images category, it should only contain other image categories.
Several of the contributors and I have been talking, and it's a general concern of ours that you lack presence on the Wiki. All of your limited activity goes toward responding to messages and rolling back edits without explanation, neither of which are helping the Wiki grow. We need a platform for discussion on this Wiki rather than you outright saying 'no' to things. I'm not talking about my request for Bureaucrat rights, I'm talking in general. It's known that you'll undo edits without explaining what specifically is wrong with them. We have message walls so we can communicate, but you show no interest in communicating.
As the Wiki relies very heavily on the contributors to run and to manage accurate and up-to-date information, the contributors would be more motivated to work on the Wiki if you would work with us. There is general clean-up that we could always use help with. We could also use a guideline for the categories page, the deletion of unused or multiple images, help formatting the portable infoboxes, and a number of other things you could do that doesn’t require knowledge of the manga, light novels, sequel novels, spinoff series, video games, or contact with the fandom translators.
Part of my message expressed an interest in updating the look of the Wiki. This is something I'd really like to do as the colors selected for the header are very dull, and the background is a stock theme. I know HTML and CSS; I can edit the Wiki with some time. I'd like to change the header and apply a gradient. However, my plan was to present the images I'd chosen as possibilities, and let everyone decide what they liked best. At the same time, I wanted to work out a time when both you and I could be online so we could agree on how the Wiki looks. I've already provided my Discord name to Revriley on my wall. Feel free to add me if you'd like to work with us.
I'm sure you've noticed that there's been consistent vandalism by a spoofed IP address, it's always different so I usually don't bother banning them. I emailed Fandom to see if we could get a MAC ban on the person, but they replied that they weren't able to fulfill MAC bans and asked that we adjust our settings to only allow logged in users for a bit. I think this would help slow them down if they had to make a new account each and every time, I also planned to give a short protection to a few characters they like to vanadlize the most to further discourage any returns. Is this something you're open to?