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  • Hi Sxerks; I'm Amanda with FANDOM's community development team! I'm contacting you to see if you are interested in turning on Discussions.

    In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly, and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. You can read more about Discussions here.

    For more information on migrating forums to Discussions, you can check out this blog over on Community Central that explains everything in detail.

    If you have some concerns, Discussions and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. However, eventually all Forums will be migrated over to Discussions, so getting ahead of the curve is never a bad idea.

    Let me know what you think, and if you want to proceed I can get the ball rolling.

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    • Hi, 

      We're fine with implementing discussions on the Wiki. The community discussed it in our discord server. :)

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    • Great! I'll go ahead and enable them. Thanks! So glad that the community is on board with the change.

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  • Hey, I wanted to approach again to see if you'd be open to giving me bureaucrat rights. It would be beneficial to the wiki to have one active bureaucrat rather than a single active admin.

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    ChromeCircus closed this thread because:
    This was resolved weeks ago.
    16:05, May 10, 2018
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    • Hey Sxerks,

      We believe the community has shown a strong consensus that they're not happy having an inactive bureaucrat, and not happy with being unable to create any new bureaucrats to resolve the situation.

      If there is no change to the status quo in the near future, we plan to remove your bureaucrat rights, allowing for the election of one or more new bureaucrats. (Your admins rights would remain untouched.)

      Note that we are not likely to count returning for a few days to make some minor edit as a change in the situation.

      Thanks!

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    • Special:Log/rights shows crat rights were given April 26, concluding the subject of this thread. It seems like an election process for 1 or more new crats (presumably with the aim of appointing 1 or more new administrators without needing to contact staff each time to get them to promote in proxy) could be done without requiring the removal of previous rights, wondering why Kirkburn made that threat. It doesn't appear that those rights were abused to take away sysop privileges. The only time it appears to have happened was in response to Thread:9344, a request to retire.

      Was the desire to appoint new admins actually communicated to Sxerks? It occurs to me that admins who want to promote others to being admins alongside them could contact the crat and make a request, point out good editing decisions, etc.

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  • I know we don't really talk about or mess with the CSS here, aside from my stupid tinkering. But how open are you to altering the appearance of links? There are some links I'd like to turn into buttons (contributions/block user/ ban/ user rights/ etc) because they're currently fairly small.

    Also, what would you think about embedding a Discord server in place of our chat server? The server will be public and open to fans and contributors. There will be special roles for contributors and Wiki admins/mods, channels for asking questions, general talk, and coding questions. I will probably not have voice channels just to avoid potential issues there. What would you think about something like that?

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    • Ya, that's fine, could just increase the font size of the contentSub line though too. Either way it will probably wrap the text oddly.

      That should be fine as well. Though leave a link to the wiki chat in case someone wants to use it. Is the Discord an embedded chat window or a link?

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    • Okay, will do. Hopefully this makes them a bit easier to read, or maybe I just need a new prescription on my glasses. 

      It's an embedded chat window that would stand in place of the current chat room. Discord servers seem to be more popular modems these days, so it's probably an overdue change. I set up all the roles varrying from Wiki admins, to contributors, general users, and added some roles for people proficient with coding languages incase somebody has a question. I believe all bases are covered now, so I'll set it up once we get our JS enabled. 

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  • There's a few things that need to be fixed now, but are extremely tedious. What sort of things are bots able to do? I mean, how complicated of a task can you hand to it?

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    • They can remove and replace words/phrases/groups of text and code, append/prepend text, remove/add/replace categories to multiple pages.

      Usually it's a one "type" of change at a time. It relies on reading all the pages involved and searching the text for the specific change parameters.

      Say if you wanted to replace someones name on every page, that would be easy.

      Adding Headers or appending is also easy, and it can even check to see if it was already added so you don't get a double text.

      It gets more complicated if the thing you are searching for is complex and uses something called REGEX, which can be a pain at times to get just right.

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    • Would it be possible to set a bot to remove all stub article categories/templates? I'll go through and manually re-add them to the pages which actually need them. 

      Is it possible for a bot to de-link elements on pages? Such as... if a name is linked up 2+ times on a page, is a bot able to de-link the extra's? Or is that too much? About 30 pages need to be adjusted... If I'm low-balling it...

      Edit: I don't use Python often so I probably won't use anything with regex, I don't think I would get it right. But thank you for linking it. I'll need to get better with Python to make use of it.

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    • remove the stub template is easy, it's just a text search.

      de-linking, it seem like i've seen this, but can't find an option or script.

      AutoWikiBrowser is easier to use

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    • Alright, I think I've figured it out. The AWB is far easier to use! But I noticed the edits are populating on the Wiki Activity rather than recent changes (less intrusive). I'm going to pause it for a moment and try to make that stop happening.

      Edit: So I tested out the de-linking, and it seems like it's a manual edit. It can find the multi-links, but you have to manually undo it. I may be missing something, I joined the Wiki Dev Discord to see what hints others may have on this. I feel like its one of those there has to be a better way things.

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  • In your opinion, what is the best format for episode numbers beyond Season 1? 

    Such as, x2 obviously begins 'episode 1, 2, 3, etc'. Rather than that, it's more like 'episode 25, episode 26'. 

    Right now, the format we set it to is  Episode: 01/26.

    Can you think of a better way to put this?

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  • So SH and the Izaya-centric novels will end eventually, we all know this. But what happens when we run out of content? When there are no more cross-overs, video games, magazines, etc. What exactly happens with the Wiki once you've run out of content? Is it archived?

    I know this is strange, but it's a idle question we're throwing around on the Discord. We're aware that there are always small things you can do, like re-writing pages, updating the theme, etc. But there will eventually come a point when there's nothing more to update but the theme and maybe some CSS.

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    • There would be a time in the future when there is, realistically, nothing more to add. If there is no content to add and no one is watching edits, it could easily fill with vandalism and spam. Then the legacy of the work that was done is for nothing.

      I recall one being "locked" a long time ago, I believe it was for a game, and then no more edits were allowed. Wikis can be set to not allow IP edits in the control panel, but locking would require the staff, and even then, someone in the future could ask to have it reopened...

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    • So then, the hope would be that the last remaining admin would lock the Wiki from IP edits before vanishing into the night. Following that, registered users could certainly vandalize the place, but also, fandom could allow someone to adopt it and clean it up before leaving it to sit again.

      Really, it's depressing to think about! Haha years of work just down the drain, but then again... Hopefully the Wiki stands and maintains its accuracy for as long as possible. I don't plan to go anywhere anytime soon, though I've found a new fandom, Durarara is still running. For now, we only have to discuss this in future terms, at least...

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  • Are you using a bot to remove categories from images?

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    • In the recent changes you can uncheck the "File" namespace to easily see the rest of the edits. Or "hide minor edits".

      The other account doesn't have a bot flag on this wiki, it's on a per wiki basis.

      A bot is just a piece of software to automate things, the edits still would have happened without it, it would have just taken a lot longer.

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    • Using a bot for something like that makes sense as it is repetitive work; I get it, but there's a reason we're calling you out on this. For one: you didn't mention with any of us about using it. Two: you have it with your profile, not a separate profile specifically for the bot.

      We can see how many edits per minute that bot was making, and that had to have been slowing down the server. I see it was doing 15 edits per minute. You didn't run through with us on anything about what it will do, and you certainly didn't get the community's approval on it. Not only did you not have a separate profile for just the bot, you did not flag it as a bot. This is part of Fandom guidelines for bots.

      As ChromeCircus mentioned, please migrate the bot to a bot profile. Let us know before so we can actually set an editing rate and we can approve it, rather than just us seeing an overlow of bot edits in the recent activity log unaware.

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  • Would you be willing to give me Bureaucrat rights? It's not as though I intend to swipe the Wiki out from under you, it's that you don't seem to have anything more to contribute, or any interest left. I've voluntarily given up Wiki's before to my admin's who had more to contribute than I did, though, my concern here is more that you'll just stop appearing and responding to messages. I have the ability to make important changes right now, but I can't appoint new mods or admins if I need to. Adopting Wiki's is a long process that I rather just avoid if possible.

    Shiki isn't really active anymore, I had planned to make SparklingLimeade the mod since she's active and contributes.

    My other plan was to re-do the header and background image. I also have a few projects in mind to make the Wiki more informative without making it messy.

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    • Any of these discussions can happen on Board:General_Discussion, that's what it's for. I will more than likely not be online at the same time, the Forum should suffice.

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  • I'm sure you've noticed that there's been consistent vandalism by a spoofed IP address, it's always different so I usually don't bother banning them. I emailed Fandom to see if we could get a MAC ban on the person, but they replied that they weren't able to fulfill MAC bans and asked that we adjust our settings to only allow logged in users for a bit. I think this would help slow them down if they had to make a new account each and every time, I also planned to give a short protection to a few characters they like to vanadlize the most to further discourage any returns. Is this something you're open to?

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    • Just do it for the affected character pages, that should be enough.

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  • Can I go ahead and edit the community corner? I was thinking about linking to the policy & style sheet, while also making suggestions for ways new editors can help out.

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